[Maildev] Engineering Council or Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) - where art thou?

Ryan Sipes ryan at thunderbird.net
Fri Aug 31 16:20:41 EDT 2018

Man, this thread has a lot going on! I think having the two issues being
discussed in this thread doesn't make either single discussion as
effective as it could be. It makes sense to bring up the HTML editor
issue insofar as you are pointing out a decision that the module owner
could make in opposition to what some contributors may want.

But I think it would be worthwhile to focus on just one of these issues
in the thread. I'd like to see the conversation around the HTML editor
play out and see what Magnus, as the module's owner, ultimately makes as
a decision (if he hasn't already made it). And then move on to a thread
focused on the ESC and whether or not it is necessary. I think the
former helps inform the latter conversation.

Ryan Sipes
Community Manager

On 8/31/18 11:37 AM, Jörg Knobloch wrote:
> On 31/08/2018 18:45, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> It is a bit unobvious, isn't it, but making it more obvious is perhaps
>> part of a wider issue with discoverability and editing workflow in the
>> compose window (especially in HTML mode). I don't think I'm saying
>> anything radical when I say that the compose window could do with some
>> serious updating, especially the HTML editor.
> Well, you realise that Magnus wants to get rid of the colour options and
> you want to make them even more discoverable ;-) - That said, the
> current colour pickers aren't really good since the only offer the
> limited basic HTML colours. None of them are actually really suitable as
> a background, I've tried. You want something more subtle, like some very
> light colour, and the colour picker doesn't allow that. But you can
> enter it as the preference and at least the picker will show it. The
> problem is that some mail services don't or only partly honour those
> colours, so using a template with CSS is certainly a more sophisticated
> approach.
> As for HTML editing: Yes, that's sadly missed, that's why I offer the
> add-on ThunderHTMLedit (mostly forked from Stationery, with improvements
> and bug fixes) and Stationery also has a HTML editor, these days even
> more modern by switching to Ace (https://ace.c9.io/).
> Our friends from Postbox have an inbuilt HTML editor, they use "Code
> View" (https://www.postbox-inc.com/features/html-editor).
>> I just want to add that I realise that I am sticking my oar in as a
>> user whilst not offering direct coding contributions. I feel guilty
>> about that but, for the time being, I'm not in a position to offer
>> more. Nevertheless, I hope that what I can contribute has some value.
> I think it has :-)
> Jörg.
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